Cryptorchidism and stud dogs

[maple grove]

So correct me if im srong george,you think the offsPring should not be bred from but the sire can even though he has been recogised as a carrier of the gene.I agree that the offspring should not be used but you would have to question wether the sire should be also.Lets hope someday all this information is widley available.

Ok let me ask everyone, would you buy a pup that is out of a top champion knowing  that that champion  has produced monorchids and cryptorchids?
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I personally would not. Why set yourself up for possible future problems?

[J Karim]

We do not build robots, we breed boxers.    There will not be a perfect stud dog, perfect puppy or perfect litter.
I agree with what George and others have said about this topic. 

Why would someone interested in a breeding male puppy, accept a puppy with one testicle not present or fully descended?  If the testicles are not present, then do not accept the puppy.

When breeding, you cannot always blame the stud dog for the undesireable traits in the puppies, the female has equal contributions to the puppies as well. 

A stud dog that is a top champion is a champion due to his achievements, not by the puppies he produces.  Top champions are not always top producers.

[maple grove]

A stud dog that is a top champion is a champion due to his achievements, not by the puppies he produces.  Top champions are not always top producers.
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So true!

[George Kotinis]

One of the top producers and winning dog of our days, has in his statistics 6,78% monorchids.

With the right female, I would not hesitate to use him.

[poppytown]

many of nowadays winning dogs and widely used stud dogs wouldn't be here, if breeding rules were so black and white - many of them have one dog in common, and he produced high percentage of monorchids/cryptorchids. one of his direct sons was , on contrary, very  much in use because had excellent statistics and produced almost all fault free litters.

breeding is based on sensibility of a breeder to calculate odds for a matting he plane to make.
too many restriction rules can only degrade the breed/breeding

availability of information, however,  would be very useful

I'm not quite sure, what is the problem. you may always decline a puppy, as not what was promised, if you are taking puppy for breeding, you may ask to be from fault free litter, or whatever your preferences may be.

[champ]

Thanks to everyone who replyed to the post,it was very interesting to hear peoples views
on the topic.Its not often spoken about.Just to be clear, We kept the pup and as we dont breed, prefer to leave it to the pros, and once a dog crosses our door step he stays for Life, thats his home forever despite his faults,He will hopefully someday we be working champion,Prehaps he will make history and be the first working champion with one ball .
Lets hope the information will become readily available by breeders for buyers to veiw in the near future.

Thanks again.

[Nimmerland Boxers]

,Prehaps he will make history and be the first working champion with one ball .

Sigurd Von Dom?

[champ]

So one of the great foundation sires had one testicle and also you could show your boxer back in the 1930s with one ball?I glad you said that as it wasnt meantioned,so alot of what we have today is owed to a crypto
So maybe my dog may become a legend yet  , must tell my boxer he will be over the moon, ;

So back then it was deemed completely exceptable to breed crypto is this right? and showing was not a problem?
At what stage was it deemed not acceptable.

Here is something of great interest that Frau Stockmann siad
"Perhaps it is important - at least it is interesting - that in about 99% of the cases of monorchidism it is the right testicle that is missing. If a puppy's right testicle descends first, then you can almost be certain that the left one will follow, even if it takes awhile".

By how long did she mean a while ,I thought there was a cut off point

[Gatormann]

Well then the question also remains.  How do bred OUT the Cryptorchidism if it is in your line?   What if your dog is intact with both danglers yet say a sire or even the grand sire was a Cryptorchid?  Just curious.

[champ]

Well then the question also remains.  How do bred OUT the Cryptorchidism if it is in your line?   What if your dog is intact with both danglers yet say a sire or even the grand sire was a Cryptorchid?  Just curious.

Well you see,as far as its know to create a resessive gene both parents must be carriers,the dog with both testciles would only be a cryptiod if both parents carried the gene,He may not be a carrier just cause his father is,you would need to establish,if the mother is,its tough.Here is an expample, sire has both testciles,mother has never produced any pups with one testcicle,
this is there first mating as a pair,pups turn out to have one testcile,result-youve identified both parents as carriers,they should not be used together again,and neither should be used again unless you can prove the next mating partner is not carryier.Lets
be clear  dog with both testciles can carry the gene,both parents can be carriers and produce a dog with both testciles,I know thsi as I have a boxer from which his sire has two texticles,so to answer your question,Before breeding study and learn as much about your sire and dams pedigree as possible from your currnet Simply remove the affected ones from the gene pool, and shift your preference away from breeding any (including females) that come from litters in which the defect occurred.

There are so many people out there breeding and they havent go a clue about this condition and wont bother to study it,

[shadowbox]

Maybe a dna test would be useful to find clear and carrier dogs or even if the one ball wonders carry the gene.
If they dont carry the gene well then they could maybe be bred from 

[champ]

not sure if there is such a test,would be great for breeders,Ive identified a few famous dogs that are carriers,
just the one femle,its easier to go back in the pedigree than it is to go forward,If you know of a male who has it,
i think its safe to say his parents were carriers too,I think everyone should keep a log of those who are carriers,or even better there local boxer club should have records

[Gatormann]

If so, I would be interested in knowing these dogs in question or your process of finding this out for my own personal use.  I would prefer by email.

[maple grove]

If so, I would be interested in knowing these dogs in question or your process of finding this out for my own personal use.  I would prefer by email.

I would as well. You can send me a private message.

[J Karim]

If so, I would be interested in knowing these dogs in question or your process of finding this out for my own personal use.  I would prefer by email.

Be careful where you place blame. 
In the case of polygenetic inheritance, it will be more complicated than creating a list of dogs that are "carriers" or not.